In this post I will be talking about the bank nifty strangle with CE/PE strike selected such that premium is less than or equal to 100 at entry time. Also once the SL is hit for a leg the re-entry in that leg will be taken in the option having premium <= 100 at that point of time. This is the re-execution strategy of Stock Mock as shared in below video:
Instrument: Bank Nifty CE and PE weekly option which is trading less than or equal to premium of 100 point at 0919
Entry: Enter once the option price drops by 2 point (Wait & Trade of 2 points down)
Stop Loss - 25% on each leg, MTM SL of -2000 per lot
Target Profit - 75%
Re-execution: Re-execute the same premium (not strike) leg once SL is hit and the price drops by 2 point for this option. This is similar to applying wait and trade to re-execute option in Stockmock. Re-execute should happen 2 times.
E.g. say at 0919, 34200 CE is trading near to and less than 100 say at 98 and 32800 PE is trading near to and less than say at 99. Now 34200 CE will be entered once it price reaches 96 and 32800 PE once it price reaches 97. After this say 34200 CE hits a SL. Now at this time again a CE option strike will be chosen which has premium less than but near to 100 say it is 34000 CE at 97. Now it will be entered once it price drops to 95. Now again if this CE hits SL, at that time CE option near to but less than 100 will be chosen say 33800 CE at 96 and once it price drops to 94, entry will be taken into it. Now again if this CE SL hits, no entry will be taken again as already 2 re-entries are over for CE leg. Same will be applicable for PE leg.
Exit - Exit at 1500
Capital Needed: 1,50,000
Slippage considered: 0.5%
Note (26-Nov-2022) Few traders who trade this strategy have reached out to me saying that their PnL doesn't match with my PnL on few days. As this strategy has 2 re-entries and SL is close (25%) so there can be variation in actuals for different traders running the same strategy. One trader might hit a SL because of lower entry price whereas other can end in profit because of higher entry price and avoiding SL hit because of that.
Note (18-Dec-22) Stopped trading this strategy from 12-Dec-22 and started trading the same variation with TSL of 10% by 5% performance of which is updated in a different blog post
Setup for same in Quantiply (without TSL)
Below set up is to trade with 1 lot
Note (11-Dec-22): As Algo test results are more closer to actuals as compared to Stock Mock for this strategy providing the back testing results for this strategy from Algo test
Back testing (Updated as on 3-Mar-23)
What if the first re-executed CE not hit stoploss and the put side hit sl then can we re-execute in PE, means 1 reentry in CE and 1 reentry in PE ?
ReplyDeleteYes re-execution of CE and PE leg happens separately depending on whenever SL is hit for the given leg
DeleteHello sir. Is the target 75% on each leg?. Can u pl share the new screenshots with updated sl tgt and tsl settings pl.
DeleteHow to enter in tradetron based on 2 rs below 100 or ltp. Have u got the keyword for that?
ReplyDeleteIn tradetron if we have to do it, first we have to take a trade and exit from it and then re-enter into a leg whose LTP has gone below the previous trade's entry price by 2 point. This is similar to wait and trade logic in TT. As this will include extra charges to take initial trade and then exit, this is the only strategy which I run in Quantiply as I don't have to take extra trades to find the price for re-entry in Quantiply.
DeleteBut quantiply doesn't allow backtest or paper trade. Only live trade.
DeleteUpdated Quantiply setup in the above article. Please refer same. Also trade with 1 lot first to know how it works
DeleteHello Arun, Do you trade this on all days?
ReplyDeleteHello Arun,
ReplyDeleteDo you trade this strategy on all days?
Yes I trade it on all days
DeleteI have also started with one lot. Lets see how it goes
DeleteGood work. though i have some doubts, but i admire your work.
ReplyDeleteSir me apke mehnat, genuineness aap jis tare se blog likte vo detail me uske liye me apko thanks kehna chahta hu from bottom of Heard
ReplyDeleteDhanyawad
DeleteSir write one blog on strategy implement
ReplyDelete1. how avoid freak trade
2.which algo platform better TT or quantiply
3. which algo platform we get less slippage and Faster execution
4. For enter and exit in trade market or limit order and sl-m or sl-Limit order which better
1. Freak trades cannot be avoided. They are necessary evil in trading. I tried with taking a SL at 1 minute candle. It worked 1 time but didn't work 3 times so have to live with it
Delete2. Quantiply is better for new comers to trading world
3. Haven't done this analysis
4.If it is a selling strategy SL-Limit order at entry and SL-Limit order with chase the price for exit is best. Chase the price means you will wait for some time to come price to reach your limit order but if it doesn't comes to that level in few seconds you will execute at market price. This avoids spikes as well as saves it if is a trending move
Lot of traders preferring algobaba(stoxxo) to avoid freak trades. They have introduced some option to do that.
DeleteYes have seen communication on that. They would be following similar kind of logic or would be delaying SL execution by certain seconds to avoid freak trades. Though exact way is not disclosed
DeleteHi Arun, I am trying to backtest this srategy on algo test and result are different, please help
ReplyDeleteYes Algo test results are different than Stock Mock. In algo test it is simple moment with 2 points down and re-entry is Re Momentum. My actuals match more with Stock Mock results so I do most of my back testing there before implementing a strategy
DeleteMTM Stoploss should be 2000 per lot(1CE+1PE)?
ReplyDeleteYes it is 2000 per lot (1CE+1PE)
DeleteSir this one is more profitable or smart straddle stoploss 25% , Is better? In which we take entry after 10% down in price and stoploss is at 25%
ReplyDeleteOn absolute profit (without including brokerage/charges) this is better than Smart straddle. However with charges I have not compared as I stopped trading Smart Straddle from July onwards
DeleteSir zerodha charges 2000 every months??? For running quantiply?
ReplyDeleteYes Zerodha charges 2000 every month. Finvasia doesn't charge brokerage as well as API charges and can be used on quantiply.
DeleteThanks sir. I am Big fan of you . I read all your blogs and applied this strategy. Will you please share screen shot of 75%TP. I don't know where this in quantiply.
ReplyDeleteFor these kind of questions, connect with Quantiply on whatsapp. Their help desk is quite responsive
DeleteScreenshot in blog updated to show where to update target of 75%
DeleteThanks sir .you are inspiration for us . And a mentor too.. we learn from you.
DeleteThanks for nice comments
Deletehi sir..as i dont know coding how can we use this strategy..can we copy this strategy in quantiply or any other method..
ReplyDeleteYes settings to copy are provided in screenshot in the blog. For better understanding first learn on how to back test this strategy in Stock Mock. Once that is learnt, setting up in Quantiply would be easy.
DeleteHi Arun, have some very basic questions. This about selling CE and PE. If yes then SL would be say at 125 considering premium sold at is 100 for one leg. In your example you have mentioned that CE SL hit which means BN moved up. If so re-entry for 100 premium CE would mean selling at higher strike price and not lower. Am I missing something
ReplyDeleteYes you are right. Entry would be at a higher strike price for CE leg when CE SL hits.
DeleteHi Arun, this is about selling a strangle and on a daily basis
ReplyDeleteYes
DeleteHi Arun, are the gains/losses shown without considering any exchange related taxes/charges?
ReplyDeleteThese are without brokerage/service tax and exchange charges. Including them will cause many variations depending on the lots being traded and whether using a zero brokerage or not
DeleteSir now for this strategy back testing of tsl of10% by 5% is possible? As it's shown in stock mock. Kuldip.
ReplyDeleteTSL goes away when Re-entry/Re-execute is selected. Are you seeing TSL even if we select Re-entry/Re-execute option
DeleteYes you are right, sorry I didn't check it before...
ReplyDeleteHello Arun
ReplyDeleteHave you ever experienced the benifit of wait of 2 points in live trading ? For every re execute we sacrifice 2 points hoping that in some trades premium of stressed side wouldn't fall and we won't re execute that leg which would have otherwise gone in loss. So market trends one day and we are left with profitable leg only even though 2 re executes haven't happened.
Has that ever happened live ?
Have to check if 2 points have caused the losing leg not take a re-entry on a trending day. General observation is that 3 entries happen (1 original + 2 re-entry) for losing leg where premium is increasing and all 3 entries hit SL.
DeleteToday (30-Sep-22), 2 points stopped second re-entry in losing leg (CE) and helped in maximizing profit.
DeleteOne more point. Will one minute candle closing based execution help realize benifit of this 2 point wait better ? Will it be worth it ? I mean there can be higher slipages also bcoz of 1 min candle close based execution. What settings you use ? Do u keep SL order with broker ?
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